Christian Meets Faithful, part 1

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After Christian catches up with Faithful he asks about their old home, the city of Destruction:
Chr. How long did you stay in the city of Destruction before you set out after me on your pilgrimage?
Faith. Till I could stay no longer; for there was great talk presently, after you were gone out, that our city would in short time, with fire from heaven, be burned down to the ground.
Chr. What! did your neighbours talk so?
Faith. Yes; ‘t was for awhile in everybody’s mouth.
Chr. What! and did no more of them but you come out to escape the danger?
Faith. Though there was, as I said, a great talk thereabout, yet I do not think they did firmly believe it.

Today many people do not believe in the wrath of God. This could be for any number of reasons, all connected with either a wrong view of the nature of God, or a wrong view of the corrupt nature of mankind. The Scriptures are replete with references to the wrath of God and the final judgment: Romans 2:5, Ephesians 5:6, 1 Thessalonians 1:10, and Revelation 6:16 are just a few.
Faith. [Pliable] hath, since his going back, been had greatly in derision, and that among all sorts of people: some do mock and despise him, and scarce will any set him on work. He is now seven times worse than if he had never gone out of the city.
Chr. But why should they be so set against him, since they also despise the way that he forsook?
Faith. “Oh,” they say, “hang him: he is a turncoat; he was not true to his profession!” I think God has stirred up even his enemies to hiss at him, and make him a proverb, because he hath forsaken the way.

It is interesting how the godless will mock and ridicule Christians, but sometimes they will treat the fresh apostate even worse. See counting the cost of discipleship at Luke 14:27-30.
Tell me now what you have met with in the way as you came; for I know you have met with some things, or else it may be writ for a wonder.
At this point Faithful begins to recount his experiences while on their journey. Here again we find the recurring theme of two brothers sharing experiences, and by so doing, encouraging one another. Faithful begins with his temptation to sexual sin, represented by the woman Wanton, and he describes how he resisted those temptations. Notice how he brings to mind scripture (Proverbs 5:5 and Job 31:1).


Catch part 2 of “Christian Meets Faithful” later this week as Faithful relates his encounter with Adam the First.

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The Philosopher, the Hedonist, Jonathan Edwards, and the Animals

Podcast Review

Here’s the best in Christian audio on the internet for this past week.

  • Renewing Your Mind continues to be at the top of my list when it comes to audio listening. Unfortunately, RYM continues to resist the prevailing direction of the future in online audio, namely podcasting. Right now, the free stuff is available strictly via audio streaming. I would be happy with a monthly subscription fee, just to be able to automatically download the radio broadcasts.
    In any case, this week on Renewing Your Mind has featured a great series by Dr. Sproul entitled Keeping in Step with the Spirit, which has concentrated on the practical means to growing in grace. To get a feel for the flow of this series here are the individual titles: Playing for keeps, Planning to Grow, and three lectures concerning the Obstacles of the World, the Flesh, and the Devil. All very practical stuff. And remember, even though you can’t download them as mp3’s, you can listen to the streaming audio online for 30 days from their original airing.
  • Desiring God Radio, one of the newer podcasts that I have begun listening to also deals with a practical theme. John Piper began last Thursday on a series dealing with personal evangelism, using a booklet named Quest for Joy, designed after the pattern of the book on Christian hedonism, Desiring God, also by John Piper. Each episode is only 25 minutes long, but there is quite a bit packed in each one of those 25-minute packets.
  • The Spurgeon guyhas thrown us a curve this week by publishing a sermon not by Spurgeon. Yes I know I need to get his name since this is the second time I have cited his podcast. In any event, what came down the pike this week was none other than Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God, by Jonathan Edwards. If you have ever heard Max Mclean’s version, this is every bit as good, but distinctly different. This is a must get. You will want to keep this classic.
  • Bulldogs and Piggies is the only true podcast on this list. By true, I mean as the term was first intended. This is not a spin off from an already existing radio program. There is no professional studio putting this out. There are no paid audio technicians, no slick announcers, no polished musical-backgrounded intros. There is just me introducing the sermons of my pastor preaching at my church. We are in 2 Timothy on Sunday mornings, and we are going through the Baptist Faith and Message 2000 on Wednesday evenings. We just finished a four-plus year journey through the Psalms last Sunday evening, and I am not sure where Pastor Harris is going next on Sunday evenings. You will just have to “tune in” to find out.

There you have it; four fine picks. Go back and catch what you missed this last week or so, and subscribe to them so you don’t miss another exciting episode.

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The Valley of the Shadow of Death

Topic: The Pilgrim’s Progress

For some months now in the high-school Sunday-school young men’s class I teach, we have been reading through and discussing The Pilgrim’s Progress. When I began this venture (My wife is doing the same with the young ladies’ class.) I wasn’t sure how it would go. To my amazement, men and ladies alike took right to it. We all take turns reading, taking parts where the passages need that, and then discussing what we have read. They enjoy taking on the parts, and entering into the story. They are extremely attentive when you point out to them “This is your life as a Christian. This is your walk, your story.”
The following represents the last two weeks of class discussion. Later this week I plan to post this upcoming Sunday’s lesson, with subsequent lessons coming earlier each following week. If you are familiar with Pilgrim’s Progress or would like to read along, please feel free to leave comments or suggestions.

Now at the end of this valley was another, called the Valley of the Shadow of Death; and Christian must needs go through it, because the way to the Celestial City lay through the midst of it.

1. One valley followed another. Isn’t that just the way it is for the believer here on earth. In this life, peace and security doesn’t last long. More often than not one trouble follows on the heels of another. Pastor Rod has said many times, “The Christian life is one of either just coming out of trouble, getting ready to experience trouble, or being right in the middle of trouble.” The comforting truth as we will see later in this section is that God is going through this valley with us. He never leaves us or forsakes us (Hebrews 13:5).
2. Note that the valley is described as only the shadow of death. Often times what we see does not take into account the mighty hand of God. The dangers are real, to be sure. The smell of death is all around. But for the child of God it is only the shadow of death. Christ has won for us on the cross, victory over death and hell (1 Corinthians 15:57).
3. It is necessary for Christian to pass through this valley, because the way to the Celestial City passed through that valley. Even though we are the children of God, we must still pass through this valley. We still live in a fallen world. We still have the “old man” about us that we must put to death. The world, the flesh, and the devil still plague us.
4. At the beginning of this valley, Christian meets two men going back. Just as we have seen before in this story, here again is the picture of some who forsake the journey to the Celestial city. It is this way too, in our Christian journey that we will encounter men who have forsaken the Christian walk. (1 John 2:19) The parable of the sower also comes to mind (Matthew 13:3ff). Not all of the seed that came up survived. So too, not every professor is a possessor.
5. Notice also the report of the men when Christian ask them what they saw. Their first response is “pitch dark”, and then they proceed to describe all they have “seen”. If it were pitch dark, then they are only describing what their imaginations have seen. Though they be fearful accounts, Christian is not put off. He has set his eye on the goal, and he will press on.

I saw then in my dream, so far as this valley reached, there was on the right hand a very deep ditch; that ditch is it into which the blind have led the blind in all ages, and have both there miserably perished. Again; behold, on the left hand there was very dangerous quagmire, into which, if even a good man falls, he can find no bottom of his foot to stand on. Into that quag King David once did fall; and had no doubt therein been smothered, had not he that is able plucked him out.

1. The ditch on one side represents legalism. The blind have led the blind is a reference to Matthew 15:14, where Jesus speaks of the Pharisees, and their dead legalism, leading the nation of Israel into this same ditch.
2. The quagmire on the other side of the path represents the opposite extreme: lawlessness.
3. The section that follows further describes the narrowness and difficulty of the path that lies between these two ditches, and how hard it is not to swerve into one ditch while trying to avoid the other.

When Christian had traveled in this disconsolate condition some considerable time, he thought he heard the voice of a man, as going before him, saying, “Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil; for Thou art with me” (Psalm 23). Then was he glad; and that for these reasons:
First, because he gathered from thence that some who feared God were in this valley as well as himself.
Secondly, for that he perceived God was with them, though in that dark and dismal state; and why not with me, thought he, though, by reason of the impediment that attends this place, I cannot perceive it?
Thirdly, for that he hoped (could he overtake them) to have company by and by.
So he went on, and called to him that was before; but he
(the man he was calling) knew not what to answer, for that he also thought himself to be alone.

Christian’s reasons for gladness are the same reasons for our gladness. Just at this point, day breaks and the way becomes even more treacherous. This all bears to the point that God is with us in this journey, giving us light when we most need it, preventing us from slipping and falling down to utter destruction, and giving us each other to comfort and aid one another in this pilgrimage, as we will see in the next section.
(To be continued)

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Adrian Roger’s Homegoing

Dr. Adrian Rogers, went to be with the Lord yesterday. I made a passing comment about him on this weblog last Thursday, totally unaware of his illness. The remark was in reference to the voice of a man who has been recording Spurgeon sermons and making them available on the internet as podcasts. Here is my remark from that post:

“The guy that produces it lives somewhere in Texas, and he does a great job, even if he doesn’t sound quite British enough. At least he doesn’t sound like Adrian Rogers.”

In using Dr. Rogers as my example, I did not mean anything disrespectful. His name just happened to be the first well-known southern preacher that came to mind. I know that a Tennessee drawl is not the same as a Texas drawl, but you get the idea. I read about Dr. Roger’s passing at numerous sites yesterday, but a tribute by Dr. Albert Mohler on his weblog was by far the best. One comment in particular jumped out at me. It seemed to have been placed there just for me concerning my British-accent pun. Among many kind words and high praises, Dr. Mohler said:

He was a modern-day “Prince of Preachers”
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Liar, liar . . .

. . . momma’l set your pants on fire.
Well, I was going to write on a serious subject, but something came up. My pastor called me yesterday afternoon about 4:30. To get the story straight let’s go back to Sunday night.
Pastor Rod and I talked Sunday night after church. Here’s pretty much how it went:

The Plowman’s Regress, Book 1

He starts off, “I got two new tires put on the van yesterday. I’m going to the (Oklahoma) state convention tomorrow and Tuesday.”
“Oh?”, I say.
“Yes, Jerry Falwell and John McArthur are going to be there, one speaking on one day and the other speaking the next.”, he continues.
“Oh.” I repeat, trying to not sound jealous. “And no one else from our church is going with you as a delegate?”
“That’s right. Just me. I’m heading out in the morning. Isn’t that quite a mix for speakers?”
“Oh, uhuh, sure.” I reply.
So by this time I’m looking for something to get the ball back in my court. “Did you see me cited over on the blogroll at Pyromaniac last week?”
“No, I wasn’t following his blog last week.”
“Oh.” (disappointed)
“What did he say?”
“Nothing much.” (defeated) “He just mentioned that at my blog I commented on his audio lecture about Calvinism; that I liked it too, or something like that.”
“Really? Wow”
So I finally hit pay dirt. I should have let it go at that, but nooo-ooo. I press on for more glory. “Yep, there’s no telling what he’s going to do when he catches wind of my series of posts on Thursday and Friday. I mockingly accuse him of stealing my material with his two podcast posts.”

At that point the talk turned to other issues more serious. After a good discussion on a variety of issues, my wife and I decided to go home. I don’t think any more about it until 4:30 yesterday afternoon.

The Plowman’s Regress, Book 2

“Hello.”
“Hello, P. W., is that you?”
“Hello, Pastor. What’s up? Where are you?”
“Here in Oklahoma City. I just got out of the afternoon session.”
“Oh. How’s it going?”
“Great. We just got through hearing McArthur speak, and you’ll never guess who else is here.”
“No! Not . . .”
“Yes! Phil Johnson is here too.”
“No!” (disbelief)
“Yes, and he tells your story from last night the other way around. He says you stole his material.”
“No! He didn’t.” (pause) “Did he?”
(pause) “No. I haven’t gotten a chance to speak to him. But he’s here. He’s going to speak over at Alan Connor’s church tomorrow evening. Some pastor’s conference, or something.”
“Man!” (green)
“Yeah, I’m going to catch up with him after the session tonight and we’ll work on a good story to write about you and all of this blog stealing.”
“No! Don’t you dare!”
“Talk to you later. Bye.” (click)

Okay, so now I get to live in mortal fear, for how long, who knows. The buggar, up there alone with no one to confirm or deny, to keep him reined in. How can I know where the truth ends and the fibbing begins. Only time will tell. Only this one thing. Pastor, if you read this, don’t make me come over there and get you. This could get ugly. You might want to check the podcasts for next week. You just might have one of those funny little chipmunk voices preaching a five-minute sermon. Who knows?
And to think, I was going to write something serious today. Maybe tomorrow, God willing, and the fire engine doesn’t pull up to my house later today.

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Veteran’s Day, 2005


In years past I have not given much thought to Veterans Day. I graduated from high school only a few months after the Vietnam-era draft was deactivated. I never served. My dad was too young for the Korean conflict, and too old for Vietnam. None of my grandfathers served in the military either. My father-in-law was in the Air Force, serving in the SAC all over the world, but I didn’t know about that until after my wife and I were married. I never had a reference point, you see; no concrete example of someone close who served and sacrificed. Until now. My son just last month returned from Afghanistan, and just two weeks ago returned to Oklahoma, a citizen. He has come back thinner, more sober, more focused, more a man. He has not said much about his time in Afghanistan. One time he told me over the phone from Afghanistan “Let me put it this way; I’ve had opportunity to fire my weapon.” That’s all he said. On another occasion, just last week, he noticed the desk-top photo on my laptop. He had given me a 512K thumb drive and there was one photo still on it. He even told me so. It was a rugged yet beautiful picture of a high-altitude valley somewhere near the Afghan-Pakistan border. You could see a small rock-built village in the background; almost around the bend. When he saw it he said “What are you doing with that on your desk-top? Take that off of there. That’s a bad place.” So I replaced it with a dusky sunset landscape of some place near Jalalabad. I think that is how he wants to remember it, as a sunset, a closed chapter in his past.


This Veteran’s Day has been different for me. I have a greater sense of what sacrifice means. Now I know personally that people’s lives are put on hold, changed forever, and yes, ended prematurely, for the sake of freedom. Moms and dads wait anxiously for good news, scanning the news, pouring over the maps, praying. You can think what you want about this “war”. It matters not to me what you think. This is not a political blog, and I am not going to debate that issue here; If you know a veteran, thank him for the sacrifice. If you don’t know a veteran, get to know one, and then thank him. Thank him for your freedom of speech. Thank him for your freedom to associate freely, to bear arms, to vote. Thank him for your freedom to worship, or not worship as you see fit. Then thank God for courageous young men.

“Courage is almost a contradiction in terms. It means a strong desire to live taking the form of a readiness to die. ‘He that will lose his life, the same shall save it,’ is not a piece of mysticism for saints and heroes. It is a piece of everyday advice for sailors or mountaineers. It might be printed in an Alpine guide or a drill book. The paradox is the whole principle of courage, even of quite earthly or quite brutal courage. A man cut off by the sea may save his life if he will risk it on the precipice. He can only get away from death by continually stepping within an inch of it. A soldier surrounded by enemies, if he is to cut his way out, needs to combine a strong desire for living with a strange carelessness about dying. He must not merely cling to life, for then he will be a coward, and will not escape. He must not merely wait for death, for then he will be a suicide, and will not escape. He must seek his life in a spirit of furious indifference to it; he must desire life like water and yet drink death like wine. No philosopher, I fancy, has ever expressed this romantic riddle with adequate lucidity and I certainly have not done so, but Christianity has done more. It has marked the limits of it in the awful graves of the suicide and the hero, showing the distance between him who dies for the sake of living, and him who dies for the sake of dying, and it has held up ever since, above the European lances, the banner of the mystery of chivalry, the Christian courage, which is a disdain of death.” G. K. Chesterton Orthodoxy, quoted by Rush Limbaugh on November 11, 2005

Thank you, Isaac.
We love you, Dad and Mom

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Phil Johnson rubs my nose in it two days straight!


And he didn’t even know he was doing it. That is how the great and influential are. And even when he is sick, he is still amazingly good. For the second day, Phil Johnson is talking about his iPod. To understand the significance of all of this, read my post from yesterday.

On another note, In this same post Phil said “How did Protestants ever get from Bach to the insipid stuff we call “worship choruses” today?”. To that I say “The very truth. Preach it, brother.” I hope he spends some time in the very near future on that very subject. I was listening to R. C. this week and last, in which he was giving a 10-part lecture on the Reformation sola‘s. Yesterday was part one of Soli Deo Gloria, and reading Phil’s comments about the greatness of Bach’s contatas reminded me of the stories I’ve heard that Bach would write SDG at the top of all of his manuscripts as a witness to the Author of all of his talents.

btw: The top photo was not taken while I was driving. The one below, on the other hand. . . (The tach is on the left, and the speedometer is on the right. sdg)
Example

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Piper Says "We will become gods!"

Topic: Podcast Roundup

Man, I just now had to add this beginning paragraph after writing all you see below it. I just now took a break to see what the The PyroManiac was talking about, and, lo and behold, he was talking about podcasting, the very topic I was working on! He had just bought an iPod! He was talking about Piper’s biographical sketches that I mention in the paragraph below! I know that this looks like I’m just copying his lead, and even though his post was from yesterday, I didn’t read it until early this morning. Let me explain further. I work nights, driving an 18-wheeler for a company who’s slogan is “What can [a certain color] do for you?”, and just before I leave for work every night, I “tab” up the browser on my laptop and read the blogs on my down time and breaks throughout the night. The only problem with last night (early this morning) was that I listened to the third Athanasius piece first and got the idea for this post (or at least the part below), and I never got around to reading my blogs, until just a moment ago. Well, Phil, if you read this, I hope you enjoy your iPod. I certainly do mine. Oh, and since you’ve got one now, go subscribe to my podcast (see my shameless plug below, which WAS there before I realized all this).

This sure has been an exciting week as regards portable audio. I discovered several new podcasts this week, and boy, have they been doozies! My tried-and-true workhorses have been quite remarkable also. Now, before I get to the dirt on Piper, let me just say, if you are commuting any distance at all and still listening to your car stereo, then there is something seriously wrong with you. There is a ton of free audio out there just a mouse click away. If you don’t already have an mp3 player then save up your nickels and get one. The podcast, which is to audio what an rss feed is to blogging, makes it perfectly effortless. Hey, Phil Johnson, I even found a podcast that features the sermons of Spurgeon. The guy that produces it lives somewhere in Texas, and he does a great job, even if he doesn’t sound quite British enough. At least he doesn’t sound like Adrian Rogers. Now on to Piper.

I discovered that John Piper’s relatively new radio program is now available via podcast. I started listening late last week. This week, and part of last week, the episodes have centered around Christian biography, starting with three sessions on the life of John Owen, and finishing up yesterday a three parter on the life of Athanasius. Yesterday is where John let slip with the deification-of-believers thing. Now before you load up the firewood for the bar-b-que at Bethlehem, he was only quoting a statement by Athanasius. “The son was made man that we might be made god.” I have to add, though, Piper came to Athanasius’ defense with this statement:

“So quickly we write off a person, because they say something with categories we don’t use. . .What is he saying!. . . . Then you find 2 Peter 1:4 that says that you may become partakers of the divine nature. Anybody want to call Peter a heretic?”

Well, that is just a taste of what you will find in these podcasts by Piper. He does go on to explain everything satisfactorily, but it is a good read, er, listen. Don’t start with yesterday’s episode. Go back and manually get all six of them, three on Owen and three on Athanasius. You will be glad you did.

If there are any of you out there who have enjoyed the dry serrated whit of St. Anne’s Public House, they have just recently made podcasting possible at their site. Yes, I know, Doug Wilson is over there alot, but remember the quote I just cited from Piper. Okay?!

GraceLife, where Phil Johnson’s lecture on Calvinism was posted last week, is now a podcast as well, though there is still only that one lecture available. I’m sure more will come soon. Careful, this link is a subscription link to the podcast, not an actual link to GraceLife’s web site, so it is a copy-and-paste link only.

Dr. Mohler’s radio show continues to be one of my favorites. The audio pretty much covers the content of Dr. Mohler’s blog, but the audio version often includes noted guests as well. Yesterday Dr. Mohler commented on the burning of Paris, and had as his guest Victor Davis Hansen. As usual, Dr. Mohler gave excellent analysis from a Christian perspective.

And I must make a shameless plug for my own podcast, Bulldogs and Piggies. Three sermons each and every week, whether you like it or not. Sunday mornings we just began 2 Timothy. In the evening worship, we are wrapping up a two-plus-year journey through the Psalms. Last evening (Wednesdays), after a delicious meal, we listened together to the sixth in a series on what it means to be Baptist, by studying the Baptist Faith and Message 2000. You may ask “Why is it called Bulldogs and Piggies?” Go to the website, download a few messages, and find out for yourself.

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My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?

Editor’s preface: This post is actually a comment of response to a post on another blog site. To get the full context of the exchange, you need to go over there also. This whole block of text is a link to that site.

Thank you, brother, for the invitation to respond to your recent posts in this way. I especially appreciate the spirit in which it was given.

You admit in more than one place that you are clearly swimming upstream. By your own admission, no one, or virtually no one has held the view that Jesus’ words on the cross “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” were not (I think you used these words) a statement of doubt and defeat, but rather “a praise song of faith in God in the midst of suffering.” Do you realize in this position you also are implying that none of all those who hold the contrary position ever saw the danger you expressed, of people denying the penal substitution of Christ’s death on the cross? Using the analogy of Scripture, one would immediately point someone with such a conclusion to those more plain passages such as Galatians 3:13, 2 Corinthians 5:21, or Romans 3:21-26. These plain passages would clearly eliminate any false assumptions made concerning the meaning of our Lord’s statement in Matthew 27:46.

You base your exegetical argument almost entirely on the “context” of Psalm 22, which is the source text of Jesus’ statement. I see two problems with this:

1) Jesus doesn’t quote the whole psalm, just the first phrase. If He wanted to express the thought you claim why didn’t he either quote the whole psalm, or pick the latter phrases of obvious praise and victory you claim he meant, or even pick the opening thought of another psalm like Psalm 73, that expresses a more positive thought?

2) Your interpretation of “context” violates the Literal principle of interpreting Scripture, namely, that Scripture is to be treated as literature. Even though it is God’s word, inspired, infallible, inerrant, etc.; poetry is still poetry, and historical narrative is still historical narrative, and each and all types of literature within Scripture is to be handled accordingly. There is nothing magical about the Bible; nouns, verbs, and prepositions still function like they do in the secular world. Psalm 22, like many of the early psalms, is an expression of the psalmist’s “journey” to find God’s goodness. Often times such psalms begin with honest questions: “Where are you?”, “Why am I suffering?”, “What purpose does this have in my life?”, “How long must I suffer?” One exception to the rule is Psalm 73, where the psalmist begins with the conclusion of God’s goodness, and then moves on to the “journey” of how he came to that conclusion.

So the bigger “context” is that this is poetry, not a doctrinal statement. Jesus uses only the first statement, because that is where He is just at that moment. As I have said before, sure, Jesus knew that he must suffer and die, and be raised the third day. He told His disciples as much. That does not prove that He knew the depth of the abyss that He was being plunged into at that moment. As I have also stated elsewhere, this does not have to be a declaration of doubt and defeat, it is, at the very least, a statement of surprise. Jesus did not know everything. Expressed this Himself. To deny this is to deny a critical aspect of His human nature.

Concerning “context”, you are eager to press the issue about the “context” of the whole of Psalm 22, which Jesus does not quote, while ignoring the “context” of the passage of the narrative and events surrounding Jesus’ words on the cross. First of all, there were other words spoken by Jesus on the cross. Most notably, our Lord’s last words were “It is finished.”, meaning “It is accomplished.” Now there is a statement that signifies the beginning of victory.

There is also the “context” of the narrative surrounding Jesus’ words. What about “there was darkness over the land”, or “And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice”, or “And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice and yielded up his spirit.”? What about the observations of the people hearing Jesus speak. It doesn’t appear that anyone is aware that Jesus is quoting Psalm 22. The only record is of some bystanders thinking He is calling for Elijah. Matthew is especially good to point out elsewhere that scripture is being fulfilled or quoted. He says nothing about that here, nor makes note of any one saying anything noteworthy about this statement from our Lord on the cross. This “context” clearly points to a different conclusion than you come to.

Last of all, in your argument you set up a straw man by 1) equivocating the phrase “turn His back”, and by 2) creating a cartoon of the opposing position.

1) You are defining a phrase literally that is clearly a figure of speech known as an anthropomorphism: using human qualities to describe an activity or character trait of God (There’s theLiteral principle at work again.). When someone says “God turned His back on His Son.” we all know this is not referring to the inclination of God’s gaze, but rather the disposition of His favor. It is expressing something indescribable concerning something relating to the way the Father is dealing with the Son. As I have said somewhere before, Hell will be every bit as much the ever present wrathful gaze of God, as it will be the chilling absence of any of His goodness. Who knows the relationship that existed at that moment in time between God the Father, and the two natures of God the Son. Did the divine nature, as well as the human nature of God the Son enter into the reception of the wrath of God the Father? I think so, but how, I don’t know. One thing I know, that wrath wasn’t somehow Koom-Ba-Ya.

2) I don’t know any serious conservative evangelical who believes that God turned His back on His Son in some ultimate sense, or that the persons of the Trinity were somehow divided. That is unthinkable. Combined with the point just above, you have created a straw man that is easy to knock down, because it doesn’t exist.

In conclusion, I find it a stretch to accept your argument, or even see the need for the position you have formulated, principally on the basis of your misuse of the whole idea of “context.” I don’t see the need simply because I can think of no one who holds the errors you erroneously claim a classical position leads to. I certainly don’t believe the classical position leads to a denial of penal substitution.

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A Sidebar Guide

Herein lies a guide to the metaphors used as sidebar headers in this blog. I don’t want to insult anyone’s intellegence, but if you haven’t guessed the theme, it is Agriculture of the Bible. The opening scripture reference of Amos 9:13 has to do with future blessings for God’s chosen people. The study notes from the Geneva Bible on this passage explain that this passage is “Signifying, that there will be great abundance of all things, so that when one type of fruit is ripe, another would follow, and every one in order.” In other words, the plowman will have to wait on the reapers to break ground for the next season, because the harvest is so abundant. Some believe that this is a picture of the physical future blessings of the nation of Israel. I believe what we see here is a beautiful picture of the bountiful blessings to be found among the “Israel” of God here and now, but especially later, in the new heavens and the new earth. Enough of that; now on to the meaning of the headers:

The Threshing Floor: His winnowing fork is in his hand, to clear his threshing floor and to gather the wheat into his barn, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire. Luke 3:17. The threshing floor is where the laborious task of separating the wheat from the chaff takes place. It is a sweaty, dirty place of hard labor, where a difficult yet needful and rewarding task is acomplished. The items under this heading are all study aids and are dedicated to the high school Sunday school class that my wife and I teach at Trinity Baptist Church, Tulsa. If they happen to be helpful to you, feel free to use them, with our blessings and joy.

New Wine: And no one puts new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the new wine will burst the skins and it will be spilled, and the skins will be destroyed. But new wine must be put into fresh wineskins. Luke 5:37,38. This is easy enough. Here is where the newest posts will be found. There is no statement inplied here concerning alcohol, although I could make one if you like.

The Storehouse: Consider the ravens: they neither sow nor reap, they have neither storehouse nor barn, and yet God feeds them. Of how much more value are you than the birds! Luke 12:24. This is where all of the previous month’s posts are stored, otherwise known as Archives.

Apples of Gold: A word fitly spoken is like apples of gold in a setting of silver. Proverbs 25:11. These are just some of the best Christian blogs that I have found. Believe me, there are many more good ones, these are just the ones that I frequent. You will find that some are funny, some are serious, and all of them will make you think.

Waterless Clouds: These are blemishes on your love feasts, as they feast with you without fear, looking after themselves; waterless clouds, swept along by winds; fruitless trees in late autumn, twice dead, uprooted; Jude 12. Every farmer needs rain, in its proper season, and there is nothing more discouraging and damaging than for clouds to well up on the horizon, only to pass with a flurry of wind but no rain. There are many out there on the internet who are nothing but waterless clouds, or wind bags. I don’t list many of these, because they are a waste of time. Any time I stumble across one, I will post it here. Right now I have only one posted, one that is most harmful. If you believe in sovereign grace, you will see why.

Locusts and Wild Honey: Now John was clothed with camel’s hair and wore a leather belt around his waist and ate locusts and wild honey. Mark 1:6. Okay, who ate locusts and wild honey? John, right? And what was he? A Baptist, right. Okay, just kidding. This header is dedicated to Baptists and Baptist history.

Incline Your Ears: Give ear, O my people, to my teaching; incline your ears to the words of my mouth! Psalms 78:1. To incline your ears means to orient the opening of your ears towards the speaker. This is something that humans cannot physically do without turning their whole head in the process, and that, only one ear at a time. This is an idiom, who knows how old, that comes right off of the farm. Horses and cattle have the ability to physically rotate their ears forward or backward in the direction of sound without moving their head. Even your little pooch can do this, though not quite as dramatically. The links found under this heading are audio links, downloadable, and podcastable.

Pruning Hooks: He shall judge between the nations, and shall decide disputes for many peoples; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore. Isaiah 2:4. This header lists various resources, such as Bibles, commentaries, Baptist confessions of faith, links to disaster relief, etc.

I hope that this blog is helpful. If you have comments, please feel free to post them, or email me directly. In it all, may God be glorified and magnified.

This post was last updated on January 3, 2006.

Scripture quotations are from The Holy Bible, English Standard Version, copyright © 2001 by Crossway Bibles, a division of Good News Publishers. Used by permission. All rights reserved. (http://www.gnpcb.org/page/esv.copyright)

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